tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post7411203885123378853..comments2024-02-21T03:48:52.674-05:00Comments on Flying Lessons: Pilots Didn't Want to Fly With Capt. Who Crash-Landed SW Flight 345Christine Negronihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15190247339367487575noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-10749058486748192492014-11-18T12:57:02.764-05:002014-11-18T12:57:02.764-05:00A management issue? How about a union issue? I'...A management issue? How about a union issue? I'm in no position to know for sure but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it was the pilots' union that made it impossible for Southwest to get rid of this problem captain until she actually trashed a valuable asset. In fact, I think it was labor, not management, that bargained for the bid avoidance provision that dispensed with the need to give an explanation for an expressed preference. Josef Escanininoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-70707805345790341372014-11-13T09:13:56.349-05:002014-11-13T09:13:56.349-05:00In a case such as this at LaGuardia with a hull lo...In a case such as this at LaGuardia with a hull loss, does the plane get stripped at the site and carted off on trucks? With the NTSB involved, does the plane need to stay at the airport for a certain time for investigation? I would think space would be a problem.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05377531586291391201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-85371216101120536642014-11-12T17:49:36.985-05:002014-11-12T17:49:36.985-05:00I am sorry, but I can not agree with views express...I am sorry, but I can not agree with views expressed. Human error is a symptom, not a disease. It is a symptom of a disease called "Poor Organizational Management". The question we need to ask is, "Does the society and the traveling public need protection from the erring human, or does it need protection from a system that allowed the human to be in the position she was in despite having many indications that she was an under-performer and lacked CRM/team skills?"<br /><br />The basic issue is, why is this being talked about AFTER an accident? Were the airline managers sleeping before the accident? Why no one acted before? This is a classic example of "If the Pilots are alive, hang hhem. If they are dead, blame them!"<br /><br />Safety is not Everyones business. Safety is the business of the Accountable Manager and the Accountable manager needed to speak, think and act BEFORE the accident, not now, when it has already occured.<br /><br />This is exactly what I also tried to explain in my book "Waiting...To Happen!". Such accidents will continue to happen unless we can think beyond the Pilots. All human performance happens inside the framework of an organizations Policies and Procedures. Unless we correct those, there is no way to stop these events from occuring. They reamin Waiting...To Happen! And will happen. Because poor organizational management will sooner than later defeat the human and precipitate an error.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07944126095009515937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-59612067489824280312014-11-12T15:43:30.585-05:002014-11-12T15:43:30.585-05:00Nice article. I think a distintion should be made...Nice article. I think a distintion should be made though. SWAPA is the southwest pilots own union. You should question them on their own pilots behavior and policies, not ALPA. This crash reminds me of the crash in San Francisco where no one questioned captain "Way too Low"patrick cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-76472928498737218902014-11-12T11:21:12.820-05:002014-11-12T11:21:12.820-05:00Agree wholeheartedly with Jim B.
CRM requires a b...Agree wholeheartedly with Jim B. <br />CRM requires a buy-in by all crewmembers.Ira Rimsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-51085218033374863272014-11-12T09:43:52.673-05:002014-11-12T09:43:52.673-05:00Thank you (again) for drawing a distinction betwee...Thank you (again) for drawing a distinction between blame and contributing factor.Andy Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-55396267926811409702014-11-12T08:23:50.520-05:002014-11-12T08:23:50.520-05:00Great piece Christine!
If this crash was indeed c...Great piece Christine!<br /><br />If this crash was indeed caused or exacerbated by a Captain who was known by the company to have deficiencies in command skills, that is NOT a CRM issue, it's a MANAGEMENT issue. This accident along with so many other approach and landing accidents is much more a function of leadership, command and judgement than it is airmanship.<br /><br />CRM is a threat identification and management strategy that is only as good as the people using it. It is not intended to make up for known deficiencies. Placing crewmembers on the flight deck with known weaknesses in leadership and command is no different that placing substandard parts on the aircraft. Jim Blaszczakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00096277595889819199noreply@blogger.com