tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post8192581968922290023..comments2024-02-21T03:48:52.674-05:00Comments on Flying Lessons: What's In A Name? At Canberra Airport, No Black Box References Christine Negronihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15190247339367487575noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-73248302321306769332013-05-13T00:31:31.827-04:002013-05-13T00:31:31.827-04:00Everybody knows flying with commercial airlines ca...Everybody knows flying with commercial airlines can be sometimes very frustrating. We can mention here what situation comes up when dealing with commercial airline; you get a delayed flight schedule, losing your luggage, security issues and other problems that you might even think about it.air chartershttp://www.imageaircharter.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-50048143604391585522013-02-09T08:16:08.546-05:002013-02-09T08:16:08.546-05:00Thanks to share this very nice and fantastic blog....Thanks to share this very nice and fantastic blog. I hope that you keep writing like this…Cheapest Pilot Traininghttp://www.bluebirdflightacademy.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-74518375224534732172013-02-06T11:15:39.285-05:002013-02-06T11:15:39.285-05:00I was employed for a time by a firm that made a la...I was employed for a time by a firm that made a large number of the flight data recorders in use. See<br />http://www.iasa.com.au/folders/Publications/pdf_library/brooks.pdf *<br /><br />Radio and cockpit and audio recording is, in addition, an invaluable tool in learning what happened.<br /><br />Some of the environmental requirements are mind-blowing; imagine the engineering needed to endure a crash at hundreds of miles an hour and a fire afterwards, or weeks at 2,000 fathoms of water -- and still allow stored data to be read. <br /><br />The Air France Flight 447 data recorder was recovered from almost 13,000 feet of water.<br />http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/innovation/06/23/flight.data.recorder.technology/index.html<br />An airport? Oh, yes.<br /><br />*Smiths Aerospace was bought by GE Aviation in 2007.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-68902376610811979042013-02-05T15:24:55.887-05:002013-02-05T15:24:55.887-05:00And if you're interested in pursuing the story...And if you're interested in pursuing the story, there's an article in the January-February 2013 issue of 'Flight Safety Australia' magazine (www.casa.gov.au/fsa), which marks the 50th anniversary of the mandating of the black box in Australia. <br />Margo Marchbanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-39506892340228277052013-02-05T13:57:59.955-05:002013-02-05T13:57:59.955-05:00Of course, all one needs is paper and pencil to de...Of course, all one needs is paper and pencil to determine the probable cause of an accident (it all depends on how probable one wants it to be), but that's besides the point.<br />First of all, we should congratulate Eve Cogan for bringing this to the foreground and the way she takes initiative. She will probably be a good engineer and manager if she pursues this direction.<br />More importantly, the black box was a kind of trigger in changing the attitude in safety thinking. Any system/device that poses safety risk should have some device that records the history to learn from the times it goes wrong. Moreover, it has a serious impat on the architecture. Just imagine what it could do for cars. There are about 35000 people killed/year in the US and in Europe each year. The aviation industry has less than 500/year worldwide. This is what the black box has given us (of course there's more to it but it is a device that is symbolic for a difference in culture). eric.verhulsthttp://www.altreonic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-30455327335235638562013-02-05T13:37:43.869-05:002013-02-05T13:37:43.869-05:00Bob, Your description of the "logic" beh...Bob, Your description of the "logic" behind the NTSB's use of the finding "Probable Cause" is accurate, but your etiology of its use is not.<br />The term "cause" first appeared as a requirement for determination in aircraft accidents in the Air Commerce Act of 1928.<br />The requirement was modified to "Probable Cause" by government attorneys in the 1934 Amendment to the Air Commerce Act, whose argument was similar to yours: it wasn't possible to determine the cause of aircraft mishaps accurately. That might have been true in 1934, but gives short shrift to the technological advances of the past 65+ years.<br />Unfortunately, use of the term "probable cause" has excused less robust investigations that might have benefited from more scientific methodologies. Ira Rimsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-62006705368999263092013-02-04T14:25:09.437-05:002013-02-04T14:25:09.437-05:00Hi Christine!
Flight recorders? Meh...all a re...Hi Christine!<br /><br />Flight recorders? Meh...all a real aviation accident investigator needs is a notebook, a pencil, and a camera. Ha!<br /><br />Seriously, early accident report findings were often just educated guesses on the part of the investigators. Now, recorded information from many sources (onboard devices, ground radar, airport and local area security cameras, non-volitile memory in aircraft electronics, passenger cell phone cameras, and the like) allow investigators to almost pinpoint the reasons accidents occur <br /><br />Having said that, there is logic behind the government phrase "probable cause". Aviation accidents are so chaotic with many very complex ramifications, both human and mechanical. In many cases an exact, provable, not probable, but provable cause can never be determined.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Bob Benzon<br />NTSB (retired)<br />Robert Benzonnoreply@blogger.com