tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post8883275836146790635..comments2024-02-21T03:48:52.674-05:00Comments on Flying Lessons: Movie is a Flight From Realistic to RidiculousChristine Negronihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15190247339367487575noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-24359584259530351202013-04-24T01:58:25.188-04:002013-04-24T01:58:25.188-04:00I realize the flying inverted is not possible but ...I realize the flying inverted is not possible but I have watched the crash sequence about six times already and enjoyed it every time. It's entertaining. The movie is obviously not for aviation experts.<br />I sell wristwatches, so I notice watch-related mistakes in movies just as a real pilot would see everything that's wrong with Flight. In Argo, for example, Tony Mendez wears a Rolex Deepsea that has only been produced for the last few years, but the story takes place around 1980. Is it ridiculous? Did I immediately notice the mistake and point it out to my wife? You bet I did. Did this in any way diminish my enjoyment of the movie? Absolutely not. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-70369514531422025032013-03-28T18:43:00.754-04:002013-03-28T18:43:00.754-04:00It was a Hollywood attempt to entertain and tell a...It was a Hollywood attempt to entertain and tell a story with a perspective of real people with addiction. If you want a documentary, you need to go elsewhere.<br /><br />From the very beginning, the heading assigned by ATC was suspect. Did you catch that part? I did, but it's a movie. Hate to tell you, but reality TV is not real either. Smiles and keep up your interest!!Steve Lesternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-69313650260064686992013-01-02T16:36:29.967-05:002013-01-02T16:36:29.967-05:00Authenticity and plausibility are possible in fict...Authenticity and plausibility are possible in fiction, but they take work. It took several rounds of feedback and rewriting with the help of 5 pilots, 2 instructors, 2 engineers, and 2 air ambulance operators to get the loss-of-rudder scenario in <b><i>Chipset</i></b> (Gesher Press, 2012) right. Was it worth it? For most readers, maybe not, but for those in the industries--well I hope so.<br /><br />--Larry Constantine (pen name, Lior Samson)Larry Constantine (Lior Samson)http://amazon.com/author/liorsamson/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-36936559762747900702012-12-24T12:08:42.225-05:002012-12-24T12:08:42.225-05:00I thought Flight was quite ridiculous on all count...I thought Flight was quite ridiculous on all counts; the "jackscrew/hardover" part of the movie, which was just about the only technical reason for the crash alluded to, actually happened to two airliners with 100% fatal results (I can't remember the exact incidents now) but could not by any stretch redeem the plot.<br /><br />And certainly nothing has ever been solved by flying a large jetliner "inverted." I guess that was just stuck in there to add high drama -- guess how the ingenious pilot solved the hardover problem? The plane was being forced DOWN by the stuck rudder so he simply flew it upside down so the plane would fly "up!" Very, very silly.<br /><br />Also, in the confines of a jet cockpit, alcohol fumes are quickly going to fill the airspace. No one could possibly not notice a pilot with even a trace of alcohol on their breath, and that person would certainly not be the first officer, who would undoubtedly have the offending captain removed immediately, especially if they were strangers. Now TWO pilots who go on a binge and then fly the same plane the next day . . . THAT scenario is believable. Well, it has to be, because it's actually happened.<br /><br />But let me tell you, from direct experience: a far more harrowing tale could have been told about an air traffic controller coming into work bombed out of his skull and pushing planes around on a computer screen. Why do I say this? Because I knew one such fellow . . . who regularly reported for work at Oakland Center in the mid 80s after a night of Bacardi 151 and cocaine . . . to me, that's far more horrifying -- and likely to go undiscovered, if not unreported (if half the other controllers are in practically the same state). Why don;t you make a movie about THAT, Mr. Zemeckis? A pilot one-fisting miniature vodkas into a bottle of orange juice unnoticed by flight crew is so absurd it's laughable, considering that at the time, probably every single storage unit in the galley would have been in full lockdown -- why were vodka bottles sitting on the counter after a terrifying five minutes of turbulence?<br /><br />Well, I doth protest too much, as they say, but there were holes in this movie's plot big enough to fly an A-380 and a Dreamliner wingtip-to-wingtip through.ChefNickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506706291656673082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-35590858795170365462012-12-08T21:24:21.964-05:002012-12-08T21:24:21.964-05:00Did the author even see the movie? The aircraft in...Did the author even see the movie? The aircraft in the barn was a Cessna 172, not a cropduster. It even had "Cessna 172" written on the side. The author of this article was so busy picking apart technicalities that the average viewer with no knowledge of accident investigations (the film's target audience) would know or care about, that she gets basic details of the movie wrong while criticising it for getting things wrong. This is strange considering how she attacks the movie as ridiculous for lack of accuracy.<br /><br />The main premise of the film was not how accurately they can inform people about NTSB procedures, but about a very talented, yet flawed human being battling his demons. As someone who's known more than one person with similar issues, I can tell you the movie excelled. If it were a documentary on how to run an accident investigation, then the movie can rightly be called "ridiculous", but as a human story told by extremely talened actors and crew, the film is outstanding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-28439435936099718112012-12-08T18:58:36.524-05:002012-12-08T18:58:36.524-05:00Couldn't it have been written to be somewhat m...Couldn't it have been written to be somewhat more factual, though, and still have been as entertaining? I don't think they'd have sacrificed much in the way of watchability by striving for more realism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-12637786392689898132012-12-08T16:34:07.042-05:002012-12-08T16:34:07.042-05:00As the 1st anon said, as a movie it is meant to en...As the 1st anon said, as a movie it is meant to entertain the general public, not serve as a documentary on accident investigation or the legalities of such. You sound like the type of person who would scream "that's impossible!" at a CGI sequence in a Star Trek or Aliens movie. It was just that, a MOVIE, not a how-to on NTSB procedures. Lighten up and enjoy Hollywood for what it is...fun entertainment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-36121600068574152492012-12-06T11:08:04.978-05:002012-12-06T11:08:04.978-05:00I haven't sent the movie yet, but am better p...I haven't sent the movie yet, but am better prepared for what to expect, lower expectations and all.<br />Your comments do serve as a reminder that the aviation community may not be considered expansive enough to cater to by the entertainment industry. Books like "Airframe" represent authors/storytellers who do the research and create great stories. The general public are oblivious about aviation in general, so coming from a story teller whose only research was "can big plane fly upside down" I guess entertaining is the best you could hope for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-9508040811571559972012-12-04T11:34:43.506-05:002012-12-04T11:34:43.506-05:00Yes, expect to suspend your belief when you walk i...Yes, expect to suspend your belief when you walk into the cinema next time. The movie wasn't meant to test your knowledge about aviation accident investigations, but meant to entertain the general public with a great story about redemption. I'd be embarrassed too if I was sitting next to you in the theater. Seriously? You took the film too seriously!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-7171168643523431732012-12-03T13:07:34.790-05:002012-12-03T13:07:34.790-05:00It's a movie! Since when did Hollywood have an...It's a movie! Since when did Hollywood have anything to do with realism? I report on aviation and I enjoyed this movie. Was it great? No. Was it time well-spent? Yup.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-33860034560448238532012-12-01T21:03:51.754-05:002012-12-01T21:03:51.754-05:00In contrast to the fictional "hero" pilo...In contrast to the fictional "hero" pilot played by Mr. Washington, there is a story of a real airline pilot who becomes a hero through redemption and grace. Lyle Prouse is a true hero to all who understand the struggles and victories a real man faces.<br /><br />Captain Prouse demonstrated courage, perciverence and dignity in his journey from fallen aviator to counselor, mentor and role model. He has been the inspiration for many pilots to choose victory over defeat and life over death.<br /><br />Airline pilots everywhere owe a debt of gratitude to Lyle for the dedication he has demonstrated to his profession and his fellow pilots.<br /><br />You can read a synopsis of Lyle's story here. <br /><br />http://www.avweb.com/news/profiles/182955-1.html<br /><br />Jim Blaszczakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00096277595889819199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-10709748661370312972012-12-01T18:17:22.684-05:002012-12-01T18:17:22.684-05:00Please don't burst my bubble about Denzel. Fir...Please don't burst my bubble about Denzel. First Alec Baldwin, now him? But you're right about Nora, she's the real deal!Christine Negronihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15190247339367487575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9133703253863123050.post-42915373196897576702012-12-01T18:05:54.190-05:002012-12-01T18:05:54.190-05:00Christine,
Fun you used Nora Marshall in your Blog...Christine,<br />Fun you used Nora Marshall in your Blog. Nora indeed comes from a position of knowing. A good friend of mine who flies for Delta was blown over by how unrealistic this movie was. Substance abuse aside, the flying was said to be ridiculous. How much would it cost to hire a consultant who knows something about the industry? I would think Denzel is embarrassed, or out of touch. I hear some actors research their parts.<br /><br />BWBWnoreply@blogger.com